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> <channel><title>Comments on: TiVo Developing Standalone OCAP/Tru2Way Box</title> <atom:link href="http://www.gizmolovers.com/2008/03/05/tivo-developing-standalone-ocaptru2way-box/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2008/03/05/tivo-developing-standalone-ocaptru2way-box/</link> <description>TiVo, Slingbox, Android, Blu-ray Disc, and whatever other tech I feel like blogging about...</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2020 20:50:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4</generator> <item><title>By: MegaZone</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2008/03/05/tivo-developing-standalone-ocaptru2way-box/comment-page-1/#comment-22963</link> <dc:creator>MegaZone</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 06:01:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2008/03/05/tivo-developing-standalone-ocaptru2way-box/#comment-22963</guid> <description>Jack - Thanks.Joe - True, the TiVo HD has pretty much all of the components needed to be a Profile 2.0 Blu-ray Player - except the drive.  But they&#039;d also need the software.  Since BD-J is based on the same platform as OCAP, there could be some synergy there.  But I wouldn&#039;t count on this ever happening.Tom - They&#039;re related but not the same thing.  CableCARD is an access token.  The cards enable decryption of encrypted channels, as well as access to some of the data services like handling channel mapping.  OCAP, aka Tru2Way, is a Java-based software platform.  The idea is that OCAP provides a standardized API for software applications to access the underlying hardware.  For example, TiVo&#039;s OCAP software which will, theoretically, eventually be able to run on any OCAP-compliant STB.  (OCAP is still in early days right now and the whole &#039;universal&#039; aspect isn&#039;t quite there yet.  Software still needs some tweaks to work on different platforms, but it&#039;ll get there.)  So you&#039;d still need the CableCARD to work as the access token, while you&#039;d need OCAP to host the software that handles the UI for PPV, VOD, etc.Tivodog - I wouldn&#039;t hold your breath.  They&#039;d have to beef up pretty much the entire system to allow it to sustain gigabit speed transfers.  The current system doesn&#039;t max out 100Mbps - the Ethernet interface is not the bottleneck.  Also, the Ethernet controller is part of the CPU.  Most SoCs for consumer electronics still seem to be 100Mbps, you don&#039;t see GigE much.  If the chips aren&#039;t there, TiVo won&#039;t be doing it.  And I don&#039;t see them devolving back to using discrete chipsets because of the increased cost.  The whole evolution of the platform has been toward integrated chips.  We&#039;ll see GigE when Broadcom, or the like, produces an affordable SoC which incorporates it.  And, looking through their product sheets, it doesn&#039;t look like Broadcom has GigE on their SoCs, all the ones with Ethernet that I found are 10/100.Hepp - Yeah, the Tuning Resolver is still coming for the S3 and HD.  2Q08 is still the expected time frame, probably close to mid-year.Sully - That&#039;s possible, but the standalone boxes have a LOT more features than the cable OCAP software.  Plus the current OCAP software is designed to work on boxes with constant data connections, so they actually rely on head-end servers for some of their functions - a lot more than the standalone boxes do.  That&#039;s fine when the cable company is deploying them and providing the head end, but might not work so well for consumer products.  It is possible, but it would probably take longer to bring the OCAP code base up to feature parity with the standalone code than to add OCAP support to the standalone code.Jack - No real idea.  My most optimistic would be late this year, but I don&#039;t think that&#039;s realistic.  It is probably more likely that we&#039;ll see something at CES 2009 in January and the box will come out sometime next year.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack &#8211; Thanks.</p><p>Joe &#8211; True, the TiVo HD has pretty much all of the components needed to be a Profile 2.0 Blu-ray Player &#8211; except the drive.  But they&#8217;d also need the software.  Since BD-J is based on the same platform as OCAP, there could be some synergy there.  But I wouldn&#8217;t count on this ever happening.</p><p>Tom &#8211; They&#8217;re related but not the same thing.  CableCARD is an access token.  The cards enable decryption of encrypted channels, as well as access to some of the data services like handling channel mapping.  OCAP, aka Tru2Way, is a Java-based software platform.  The idea is that OCAP provides a standardized API for software applications to access the underlying hardware.  For example, TiVo&#8217;s OCAP software which will, theoretically, eventually be able to run on any OCAP-compliant STB.  (OCAP is still in early days right now and the whole &#8216;universal&#8217; aspect isn&#8217;t quite there yet.  Software still needs some tweaks to work on different platforms, but it&#8217;ll get there.)  So you&#8217;d still need the CableCARD to work as the access token, while you&#8217;d need OCAP to host the software that handles the UI for PPV, VOD, etc.</p><p>Tivodog &#8211; I wouldn&#8217;t hold your breath.  They&#8217;d have to beef up pretty much the entire system to allow it to sustain gigabit speed transfers.  The current system doesn&#8217;t max out 100Mbps &#8211; the Ethernet interface is not the bottleneck.  Also, the Ethernet controller is part of the CPU.  Most SoCs for consumer electronics still seem to be 100Mbps, you don&#8217;t see GigE much.  If the chips aren&#8217;t there, TiVo won&#8217;t be doing it.  And I don&#8217;t see them devolving back to using discrete chipsets because of the increased cost.  The whole evolution of the platform has been toward integrated chips.  We&#8217;ll see GigE when Broadcom, or the like, produces an affordable SoC which incorporates it.  And, looking through their product sheets, it doesn&#8217;t look like Broadcom has GigE on their SoCs, all the ones with Ethernet that I found are 10/100.</p><p>Hepp &#8211; Yeah, the Tuning Resolver is still coming for the S3 and HD.  2Q08 is still the expected time frame, probably close to mid-year.</p><p>Sully &#8211; That&#8217;s possible, but the standalone boxes have a LOT more features than the cable OCAP software.  Plus the current OCAP software is designed to work on boxes with constant data connections, so they actually rely on head-end servers for some of their functions &#8211; a lot more than the standalone boxes do.  That&#8217;s fine when the cable company is deploying them and providing the head end, but might not work so well for consumer products.  It is possible, but it would probably take longer to bring the OCAP code base up to feature parity with the standalone code than to add OCAP support to the standalone code.</p><p>Jack &#8211; No real idea.  My most optimistic would be late this year, but I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s realistic.  It is probably more likely that we&#8217;ll see something at CES 2009 in January and the box will come out sometime next year.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jack</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2008/03/05/tivo-developing-standalone-ocaptru2way-box/comment-page-1/#comment-22960</link> <dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:25:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2008/03/05/tivo-developing-standalone-ocaptru2way-box/#comment-22960</guid> <description>Mega,
Any idea on how long it might take to actually see this product hit market?  I would like to think that all of the work TiVo has done to date on the ComcasTiVo front will have laid a lot of the ground work for this project.  Think we could see something in a year or less?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mega,<br
/> Any idea on how long it might take to actually see this product hit market?  I would like to think that all of the work TiVo has done to date on the ComcasTiVo front will have laid a lot of the ground work for this project.  Think we could see something in a year or less?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sully</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2008/03/05/tivo-developing-standalone-ocaptru2way-box/comment-page-1/#comment-22958</link> <dc:creator>Sully</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:36:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2008/03/05/tivo-developing-standalone-ocaptru2way-box/#comment-22958</guid> <description>&quot; This would most likely be mainly a software change, to provide the OCAP virtual machine platform, as well as the hand-off process for swapping between the TiVo platform and the OCAP platform.&quot;Once the SA&#039;s are running OCAP - why not run the whole OS in OCAP?  Doesn&#039;t it seem that the Comcast port leads the way for a completely OCAP-based solution?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; This would most likely be mainly a software change, to provide the OCAP virtual machine platform, as well as the hand-off process for swapping between the TiVo platform and the OCAP platform.&#8221;</p><p>Once the SA&#8217;s are running OCAP &#8211; why not run the whole OS in OCAP?  Doesn&#8217;t it seem that the Comcast port leads the way for a completely OCAP-based solution?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Hep</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2008/03/05/tivo-developing-standalone-ocaptru2way-box/comment-page-1/#comment-22957</link> <dc:creator>Hep</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:19:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2008/03/05/tivo-developing-standalone-ocaptru2way-box/#comment-22957</guid> <description>nevermind.....it helps if you read things through before asking stupid questions.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nevermind&#8230;..it helps if you read things through before asking stupid questions.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Hep</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2008/03/05/tivo-developing-standalone-ocaptru2way-box/comment-page-1/#comment-22956</link> <dc:creator>Hep</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:13:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2008/03/05/tivo-developing-standalone-ocaptru2way-box/#comment-22956</guid> <description>What happened to the USB dongle that was talked about to enable the two way communications?   Time Warner TiVo HD users like myself are losing out on all the new channel offerings due to Time Warner only adding switched video channels.  TW has stated that the two-way cable cards will be available Q1 2009, but that is a long time off.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened to the USB dongle that was talked about to enable the two way communications?   Time Warner TiVo HD users like myself are losing out on all the new channel offerings due to Time Warner only adding switched video channels.  TW has stated that the two-way cable cards will be available Q1 2009, but that is a long time off.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tiivodog</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2008/03/05/tivo-developing-standalone-ocaptru2way-box/comment-page-1/#comment-22953</link> <dc:creator>Tiivodog</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:49:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2008/03/05/tivo-developing-standalone-ocaptru2way-box/#comment-22953</guid> <description>Let&#039;s just hope their engineers team beef up the motherboard in order to support gigabit speeds this time around as they opted to not do so with either the Series3 or HD units.....  Per the link below, I called this material ommission out back in Jan-06 (Anonymous Post 1/5/06 @ 22:32), when the Series3 was first unveiled and now here we are 18 months after the Series3/HD release and everyon is clamoring for the ability to move multi-gigabit files to/from their Tivo units in a reasonable timeframe:&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gizmolovers.com/2006/01/05/tivo-shows-series3-hdtv-cable-card-unit-at-ces/#comment-1343&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Past comment link.&lt;/a&gt;Anyways, the development team better not poop the bed this time around!!EDIT: I edited this to fix the broken link to the old comment.   Note you can use HTML links in comments. -MZ</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s just hope their engineers team beef up the motherboard in order to support gigabit speeds this time around as they opted to not do so with either the Series3 or HD units&#8230;..  Per the link below, I called this material ommission out back in Jan-06 (Anonymous Post 1/5/06 @ 22:32), when the Series3 was first unveiled and now here we are 18 months after the Series3/HD release and everyon is clamoring for the ability to move multi-gigabit files to/from their Tivo units in a reasonable timeframe:</p><p><a
href="http://www.gizmolovers.com/2006/01/05/tivo-shows-series3-hdtv-cable-card-unit-at-ces/#comment-1343" rel="nofollow">Past comment link.</a></p><p>Anyways, the development team better not poop the bed this time around!!</p><p>EDIT: I edited this to fix the broken link to the old comment.   Note you can use HTML links in comments. -MZ</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tom</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2008/03/05/tivo-developing-standalone-ocaptru2way-box/comment-page-1/#comment-22951</link> <dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:08:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2008/03/05/tivo-developing-standalone-ocaptru2way-box/#comment-22951</guid> <description>This is expressing my ignorance in the running of all things cable; but how does introducing OCAP to TiVo affect cable card support?  Are both still necessary or will the former supplant the latter?Since the cable cos. have never liked the cards, I wonder if this is a way to get 3rd party STB manufacturers to drop support for it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is expressing my ignorance in the running of all things cable; but how does introducing OCAP to TiVo affect cable card support?  Are both still necessary or will the former supplant the latter?</p><p>Since the cable cos. have never liked the cards, I wonder if this is a way to get 3rd party STB manufacturers to drop support for it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joe</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2008/03/05/tivo-developing-standalone-ocaptru2way-box/comment-page-1/#comment-22949</link> <dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 05:47:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2008/03/05/tivo-developing-standalone-ocaptru2way-box/#comment-22949</guid> <description>Add a blu-ray player and they&#039;d really have a winner! You&#039;ve already got most of the components you need in a blu-ray player (video circuitry, ports, power supply, etc) so the increased cost should be much less than a stand-alone player. I love my Toshiba TiVo/DVD player. Fewer components stacked on my shelf, less cable clutter, single remote, one less device sucking up power 24x7.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Add a blu-ray player and they&#8217;d really have a winner! You&#8217;ve already got most of the components you need in a blu-ray player (video circuitry, ports, power supply, etc) so the increased cost should be much less than a stand-alone player. I love my Toshiba TiVo/DVD player. Fewer components stacked on my shelf, less cable clutter, single remote, one less device sucking up power 24&#215;7.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jack</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2008/03/05/tivo-developing-standalone-ocaptru2way-box/comment-page-1/#comment-22948</link> <dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:01:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2008/03/05/tivo-developing-standalone-ocaptru2way-box/#comment-22948</guid> <description>When this new Ocap box comes out, I will finally upgrade my 2 S2DT&#039;s, my parents S2, and my sisters S2 with this box, and add 2 more of these boxes to the mix.  For a total of 6 boxes.  TiVo thatâ€™s 6 boxes just from me!  :-)Mega my homie,
Keep up the great work on this site.  I love reading your articles.  Thanks!with t</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When this new Ocap box comes out, I will finally upgrade my 2 S2DT&#8217;s, my parents S2, and my sisters S2 with this box, and add 2 more of these boxes to the mix.  For a total of 6 boxes.  TiVo thatâ€™s 6 boxes just from me! <img
src="http://www.gizmolovers.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif?9d7bd4" alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>Mega my homie,<br
/> Keep up the great work on this site.  I love reading your articles.  Thanks!with t</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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