Comments on: TiVo Racks Up Another Patent Win – $215+ Million From AT&T http://www.gizmolovers.com/2012/01/04/tivo-racks-up-another-patent-win-215-million-from-att/ TiVo, Slingbox, Android, Blu-ray Disc, and whatever other tech I feel like blogging about... Fri, 18 Sep 2020 20:50:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: Microsoft And TiVo Bury The Legal Hatchet | Gizmo Lovers Bloghttp://www.gizmolovers.com/2012/01/04/tivo-racks-up-another-patent-win-215-million-from-att/comment-page-1/#comment-28950 Microsoft And TiVo Bury The Legal Hatchet | Gizmo Lovers Blog Fri, 23 Mar 2012 07:52:41 +0000 http://www.gizmolovers.com/?p=8946#comment-28950 [...] lawsuit. TiVo, in turn, filed a counter-suit against Microsoft, as it common in such matters.Well, as we know, AT&T settled with TiVo in January. Yet the spat with Microsoft continued. Microsoft even [...] [...] lawsuit. TiVo, in turn, filed a counter-suit against Microsoft, as it common in such matters.Well, as we know, AT&T settled with TiVo in January. Yet the spat with Microsoft continued. Microsoft even [...]

]]> By: at&t discount codeshttp://www.gizmolovers.com/2012/01/04/tivo-racks-up-another-patent-win-215-million-from-att/comment-page-1/#comment-28725 at&t discount codes Fri, 06 Jan 2012 11:13:00 +0000 http://www.gizmolovers.com/?p=8946#comment-28725 Your post through i understand  TWC still manages platform improve process with easy! Your post through i understand  TWC still manages platform improve process with easy!

]]> By: MegaZonehttp://www.gizmolovers.com/2012/01/04/tivo-racks-up-another-patent-win-215-million-from-att/comment-page-1/#comment-28721 MegaZone Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:33:00 +0000 http://www.gizmolovers.com/?p=8946#comment-28721 I didn't realize the relationship ran that deeply, I thought there was more separation between the two.  I wonder what the distinction is legally.  Would an agreement with TWC really cover BH?  Even if they outsource all of their tech to TWC they're still a separate provider legally.  I suppose it depends on the terms of any TWC agreement and how far it extends - just to TWC's network or to the platform itself and therefore those who utilize it, like BH. I didn’t realize the relationship ran that deeply, I thought there was more separation between the two.  I wonder what the distinction is legally.  Would an agreement with TWC really cover BH?  Even if they outsource all of their tech to TWC they’re still a separate provider legally.  I suppose it depends on the terms of any TWC agreement and how far it extends – just to TWC’s network or to the platform itself and therefore those who utilize it, like BH.

]]> By: Joseph Blakehttp://www.gizmolovers.com/2012/01/04/tivo-racks-up-another-patent-win-215-million-from-att/comment-page-1/#comment-28720 Joseph Blake Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:22:00 +0000 http://www.gizmolovers.com/?p=8946#comment-28720 Actually, the agreements between TWC and BHN are such that when TWC negotiates, they're negotiating for both. TWC was formerly a partnership with Advance/Newhouse. Even though Advance has "split" their systems in Alabama and Florida off of TWC, the partnership is still in effect. Programming contracts and platform development contracts negotiated by TWC apply to BHN by default. Unless Advance completely unwinds the partnership (and I don't see them doing that, they are getting a lot of benefits of scale compared to the relative small size of their system), they'll still be a TWC clone Actually, the agreements between TWC and BHN are such that when TWC negotiates, they’re negotiating for both. TWC was formerly a partnership with Advance/Newhouse. Even though Advance has “split” their systems in Alabama and Florida off of TWC, the partnership is still in effect. Programming contracts and platform development contracts negotiated by TWC apply to BHN by default. Unless Advance completely unwinds the partnership (and I don’t see them doing that, they are getting a lot of benefits of scale compared to the relative small size of their system), they’ll still be a TWC clone

]]> By: Joseph Blakehttp://www.gizmolovers.com/2012/01/04/tivo-racks-up-another-patent-win-215-million-from-att/comment-page-1/#comment-28718 Joseph Blake Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:20:00 +0000 http://www.gizmolovers.com/?p=8946#comment-28718 Well, Verizon is also more or less done rolling out FiOS, so their growth will be dropping off pretty quickly. I don't see them completely dumping their Motorola boxes for TiVo..I don't see any major US MSO doing that, but I could see Verizon at some point adding TiVo to the lineup. Well, Verizon is also more or less done rolling out FiOS, so their growth will be dropping off pretty quickly. I don’t see them completely dumping their Motorola boxes for TiVo..I don’t see any major US MSO doing that, but I could see Verizon at some point adding TiVo to the lineup.

]]> By: Joseph Blakehttp://www.gizmolovers.com/2012/01/04/tivo-racks-up-another-patent-win-215-million-from-att/comment-page-1/#comment-28719 Joseph Blake Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:20:00 +0000 http://www.gizmolovers.com/?p=8946#comment-28719 Well, Verizon is also more or less done rolling out FiOS, so their growth will be dropping off pretty quickly. I don't see them completely dumping their Motorola boxes for TiVo..I don't see any major US MSO doing that, but I could see Verizon at some point adding TiVo to the lineup. Well, Verizon is also more or less done rolling out FiOS, so their growth will be dropping off pretty quickly. I don’t see them completely dumping their Motorola boxes for TiVo..I don’t see any major US MSO doing that, but I could see Verizon at some point adding TiVo to the lineup.

]]> By: Ben Drawbaughhttp://www.gizmolovers.com/2012/01/04/tivo-racks-up-another-patent-win-215-million-from-att/comment-page-1/#comment-28717 Ben Drawbaugh Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:49:00 +0000 http://www.gizmolovers.com/?p=8946#comment-28717 I'd be shocked if Verizon started using TiVo software, but another reason to believe they might is that like the FiOS DVRs, the TiVo Elite has built in MoCA. So the Elite hardware could be a direct drop in replacement for a FiOS STB. . The whole discussion does make you think about software development costs. With VZ cutting back on capital expenses, as they have over the past few years, it does seem it would make sense to eliminate more by deploying TiVos. I’d be shocked if Verizon started using TiVo software, but another reason to believe they might is that like the FiOS DVRs, the TiVo Elite has built in MoCA. So the Elite hardware could be a direct drop in replacement for a FiOS STB. . 

The whole discussion does make you think about software development costs. With VZ cutting back on capital expenses, as they have over the past few years, it does seem it would make sense to eliminate more by deploying TiVos.

]]> By: Ben Drawbaughhttp://www.gizmolovers.com/2012/01/04/tivo-racks-up-another-patent-win-215-million-from-att/comment-page-1/#comment-28716 Ben Drawbaugh Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:46:00 +0000 http://www.gizmolovers.com/?p=8946#comment-28716 I believe BHN just handles the service and billing, all the tech and content agreements are via TWC. Even the BHN internet is still called Roadrunner, as it was under TWC.  I believe BHN just handles the service and billing, all the tech and content agreements are via TWC. Even the BHN internet is still called Roadrunner, as it was under TWC. 

]]> By: Tech Wizardhttp://www.gizmolovers.com/2012/01/04/tivo-racks-up-another-patent-win-215-million-from-att/comment-page-1/#comment-28715 Tech Wizard Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:13:00 +0000 http://www.gizmolovers.com/?p=8946#comment-28715 Thoughtful post and thoughtful comments from Joseph and you regarding BHN. I would say that odds favor some sort of agreement that applies to both TWC and BHN. The counter to your argument is that the cost of pursuing litigation against BHN versus the infringement proceeds makes the ROI from a TiVo perspective not very good. My prediction is we will see either a lawsuit filed against TWC or an agreement by April.  Thoughtful post and thoughtful comments from Joseph and you regarding BHN. I would say that odds favor some sort of agreement that applies to both TWC and BHN. The counter to your argument is that the cost of pursuing litigation against BHN versus the infringement proceeds makes the ROI from a TiVo perspective not very good. My prediction is we will see either a lawsuit filed against TWC or an agreement by April. 

]]> By: MegaZonehttp://www.gizmolovers.com/2012/01/04/tivo-racks-up-another-patent-win-215-million-from-att/comment-page-1/#comment-28714 MegaZone Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:47:00 +0000 http://www.gizmolovers.com/?p=8946#comment-28714 That is a strong possibility.  But it isn't a foregone conclusion in my mind.  TWC and BHN are separate entities and will have to negotiate independently with TiVo.  Even if TiVo accepted a retail-style deal from TWC because of their size, warchest, and patent holdings - they may not accept the same deal from BH even if BH wants it.  BH doesn't have the warchest to fund a legal battle that TWC has, nor do they have TWC's patent holdings to use in bargaining.  In other words, they have a much weaker hand at the table than TWC and they can't count on getting the same deal no matter what they'd prefer.And while TWC may still do platform development for them today, it doesn't have to remain that way in the future.  BH could break away and turn to TiVo for STB development - as Charter, Suddenlink, RCN, Virgin Media, etc., have.Or maybe TWC and BH will both end up with Comcast-style retail agreements, but with different terms reflecting their bargaining positions. That is a strong possibility.  But it isn’t a foregone conclusion in my mind.  TWC and BHN are separate entities and will have to negotiate independently with TiVo.  Even if TiVo accepted a retail-style deal from TWC because of their size, warchest, and patent holdings – they may not accept the same deal from BH even if BH wants it.  BH doesn’t have the warchest to fund a legal battle that TWC has, nor do they have TWC’s patent holdings to use in bargaining.  In other words, they have a much weaker hand at the table than TWC and they can’t count on getting the same deal no matter what they’d prefer.

And while TWC may still do platform development for them today, it doesn’t have to remain that way in the future.  BH could break away and turn to TiVo for STB development – as Charter, Suddenlink, RCN, Virgin Media, etc., have.

Or maybe TWC and BH will both end up with Comcast-style retail agreements, but with different terms reflecting their bargaining positions.

]]> By: Joseph Blakehttp://www.gizmolovers.com/2012/01/04/tivo-racks-up-another-patent-win-215-million-from-att/comment-page-1/#comment-28712 Joseph Blake Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:15:00 +0000 http://www.gizmolovers.com/?p=8946#comment-28712 The only thing I'd quibble over is that given the TWC/Bright House relationship, there's very little chance Bright House would sign on with TiVo if TWC didn't. TWC still manages platform development for Bright House post-split (BH systems were formerly TWC systems), so whatever TWC does Bright House will do. The only thing I’d quibble over is that given the TWC/Bright House relationship, there’s very little chance Bright House would sign on with TiVo if TWC didn’t. TWC still manages platform development for Bright House post-split (BH systems were formerly TWC systems), so whatever TWC does Bright House will do.

]]> By: Joseph Blakehttp://www.gizmolovers.com/2012/01/04/tivo-racks-up-another-patent-win-215-million-from-att/comment-page-1/#comment-28713 Joseph Blake Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:15:00 +0000 http://www.gizmolovers.com/?p=8946#comment-28713 The only thing I'd quibble over is that given the TWC/Bright House relationship, there's very little chance Bright House would sign on with TiVo if TWC didn't. TWC still manages platform development for Bright House post-split (BH systems were formerly TWC systems), so whatever TWC does Bright House will do. The only thing I’d quibble over is that given the TWC/Bright House relationship, there’s very little chance Bright House would sign on with TiVo if TWC didn’t. TWC still manages platform development for Bright House post-split (BH systems were formerly TWC systems), so whatever TWC does Bright House will do.

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