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> <channel><title>Comments on: Technosophy: Resistance is Voltage over Current</title> <atom:link href="http://www.gizmolovers.com/2008/05/23/technosophy-resistance-is-voltage-over-current/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2008/05/23/technosophy-resistance-is-voltage-over-current/</link> <description>TiVo, Slingbox, Android, Blu-ray Disc, and whatever other tech I feel like blogging about...</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2020 20:50:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4</generator> <item><title>By: Gryphon</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2008/05/23/technosophy-resistance-is-voltage-over-current/comment-page-1/#comment-24747</link> <dc:creator>Gryphon</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 05:35:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gizmolovers.com/?p=2531#comment-24747</guid> <description>Well, the SUV craze was ridiculous and faddish from day one.  The bulk of the million and one types available today are poorly engineered garbage, not anywhere near capable enough to be of any actual use offroad, but carrying just enough slapped-on pseudo-truck pretention to be worthless as cars too.  The few people who actually have some use for that kind of vehicle are still buying the same utilitarian models they&#039;ve always bought; most of the rest of that bloated market segment is just trash, the automotive equivalent of costume jewelry.The thing is, the Prius craze is &lt;i&gt;also&lt;/i&gt; ridiculous and faddish.  It&#039;s a terrible car that&#039;s selling like hotcakes because people think buying one makes them virtuous and good, when in fact it just makes them exactly the same sort of marketing-guff-believing herd-followers as the people who thought a Hummer would make them manly.  It doesn&#039;t get anything like the magical fuel mileage the manufacturers tout, it&#039;s got more things on it to go wrong than a normal car, it&#039;s a technological dead end, and its safety record is, to put it charitably, uninspiring.  Driving a Prius is an ostentatious announcement that you&#039;re nobly enduring a lousy car in order to be ecologically conscious and supportive of alternative technologies when it is, in fact, neither.  If the bulk of SUVs are costume jewelry, the Prius is an Armani hairshirt.(What I find &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; hilarious, though, are the new vehicles that are hitting showrooms lately which pander to &lt;i&gt;both&lt;/i&gt; fads &lt;i&gt;at the same time&lt;/i&gt;.  These supposed hybrid SUVs - I mean, seriously?  Who does &lt;i&gt;anybody&lt;/i&gt; think they&#039;re fooling with those?)As for point 3, I think what you have there is a car dealer having found a creative new way to screw people on trade-in.  This is not exactly film-at-11 territory. :)Still, you do have a point.  I don&#039;t think the situation is anywhere near as dire as we&#039;re being told, but in a way, that&#039;s what annoys me.  The SUV thing needed to die anyway, simply because it was &lt;i&gt;stupid&lt;/i&gt;, but that&#039;s no reason to let it take down other segments with it.  And no, I don&#039;t believe that the &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; high-performance automobile will ever completely disappear, but then, I&#039;m not really concerned about the very far right-hand end of the bell curve.What worries me is the contraction of the &lt;i&gt;middle&lt;/i&gt; of the market.  If the trend continues as it&#039;s going now, we&#039;ll end up with a world where there are basically three kinds of cars: ultra-expensive, super-high-end sports cars; ultra-expensive, super-high-end luxury cars; and slow, boring crap.  And I just don&#039;t see the need for it.  I can&#039;t accept that we&#039;ve come this far as a technological society just to relegate one of our best inventions to the status of &quot;dull plastic box for going to the supermarket in&quot; for the bulk of the population.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the SUV craze was ridiculous and faddish from day one.  The bulk of the million and one types available today are poorly engineered garbage, not anywhere near capable enough to be of any actual use offroad, but carrying just enough slapped-on pseudo-truck pretention to be worthless as cars too.  The few people who actually have some use for that kind of vehicle are still buying the same utilitarian models they&#8217;ve always bought; most of the rest of that bloated market segment is just trash, the automotive equivalent of costume jewelry.</p><p>The thing is, the Prius craze is <i>also</i> ridiculous and faddish.  It&#8217;s a terrible car that&#8217;s selling like hotcakes because people think buying one makes them virtuous and good, when in fact it just makes them exactly the same sort of marketing-guff-believing herd-followers as the people who thought a Hummer would make them manly.  It doesn&#8217;t get anything like the magical fuel mileage the manufacturers tout, it&#8217;s got more things on it to go wrong than a normal car, it&#8217;s a technological dead end, and its safety record is, to put it charitably, uninspiring.  Driving a Prius is an ostentatious announcement that you&#8217;re nobly enduring a lousy car in order to be ecologically conscious and supportive of alternative technologies when it is, in fact, neither.  If the bulk of SUVs are costume jewelry, the Prius is an Armani hairshirt.</p><p>(What I find <i>really</i> hilarious, though, are the new vehicles that are hitting showrooms lately which pander to <i>both</i> fads <i>at the same time</i>.  These supposed hybrid SUVs &#8211; I mean, seriously?  Who does <i>anybody</i> think they&#8217;re fooling with those?)</p><p>As for point 3, I think what you have there is a car dealer having found a creative new way to screw people on trade-in.  This is not exactly film-at-11 territory. <img
src="http://www.gizmolovers.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif?9d7bd4" alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>Still, you do have a point.  I don&#8217;t think the situation is anywhere near as dire as we&#8217;re being told, but in a way, that&#8217;s what annoys me.  The SUV thing needed to die anyway, simply because it was <i>stupid</i>, but that&#8217;s no reason to let it take down other segments with it.  And no, I don&#8217;t believe that the <i>really</i> high-performance automobile will ever completely disappear, but then, I&#8217;m not really concerned about the very far right-hand end of the bell curve.</p><p>What worries me is the contraction of the <i>middle</i> of the market.  If the trend continues as it&#8217;s going now, we&#8217;ll end up with a world where there are basically three kinds of cars: ultra-expensive, super-high-end sports cars; ultra-expensive, super-high-end luxury cars; and slow, boring crap.  And I just don&#8217;t see the need for it.  I can&#8217;t accept that we&#8217;ve come this far as a technological society just to relegate one of our best inventions to the status of &#8220;dull plastic box for going to the supermarket in&#8221; for the bulk of the population.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tom</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2008/05/23/technosophy-resistance-is-voltage-over-current/comment-page-1/#comment-24734</link> <dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 23:49:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gizmolovers.com/?p=2531#comment-24734</guid> <description>I actually think those economics are here, certainly the signs are visible:1) SUVs and Hummers aren&#039;t moving off new car lots like they used to.2) Priuses are back order for 2 or more months.3) Sharp increase in people trying to trade in less fuel efficient models. One car dealer says he deducts $200 off trade ins each time a barrel of oil increases by $1.4) Ebay now lists more than a hundred town cars an limosines from companies trying to lighten their fleet, when there are typically on about 10 or so at anyone time.Some of these may be knee jerk reactions, I&#039;m sure.  But if oil and gas prices continue to climb (though oil may slip back to under $100 a barrel by the end of the year), demand for fuel effiecent vehicles will increase.  The big car manufacturers will have to retool or face even more losses.The car companies will still produce high performance vehicles, as I first said.  They always have, regardless of what their &quot;bread and butter&quot; models were.  But producing fewer for lack of demand will make them even more expensive.  There has always been a demand for such vehicles, although it may become more a niche market as fewer people will be able to afford them.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually think those economics are here, certainly the signs are visible:</p><p>1) SUVs and Hummers aren&#8217;t moving off new car lots like they used to.</p><p>2) Priuses are back order for 2 or more months.</p><p>3) Sharp increase in people trying to trade in less fuel efficient models. One car dealer says he deducts $200 off trade ins each time a barrel of oil increases by $1.</p><p>4) Ebay now lists more than a hundred town cars an limosines from companies trying to lighten their fleet, when there are typically on about 10 or so at anyone time.</p><p>Some of these may be knee jerk reactions, I&#8217;m sure.  But if oil and gas prices continue to climb (though oil may slip back to under $100 a barrel by the end of the year), demand for fuel effiecent vehicles will increase.  The big car manufacturers will have to retool or face even more losses.</p><p>The car companies will still produce high performance vehicles, as I first said.  They always have, regardless of what their &#8220;bread and butter&#8221; models were.  But producing fewer for lack of demand will make them even more expensive.  There has always been a demand for such vehicles, although it may become more a niche market as fewer people will be able to afford them.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Gryphon</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2008/05/23/technosophy-resistance-is-voltage-over-current/comment-page-1/#comment-24733</link> <dc:creator>Gryphon</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 22:43:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gizmolovers.com/?p=2531#comment-24733</guid> <description>As far as what is and isn&#039;t a &quot;real car&quot;, that&#039;s occasionally a tough judgment call.  It largely depends on what you&#039;re trying to do with it, and how you feel about cars.  Mind you, I&#039;m not saying that everyone should be a car nut.  If you (and I&#039;m using the royal &quot;you&quot; here) are the sort of person who doesn&#039;t &lt;i&gt;care&lt;/i&gt; if your car is only barely adequate to the task at hand - if it&#039;s genuinely the case that all you&#039;re interested in is a rolling box that will get you from A to B in relative safety and in accordance with all applicable local, state, and federal ordinances - that&#039;s great.  Get a Rio.  It&#039;s all the car you&#039;ll ever need.What I resent, and what I see more and more of in the future, is the growing cultural expectation that that&#039;s all we&#039;re &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; interested in - or at least all we&#039;re going to get, regardless of interest.  You (and now I am not using the royal &quot;you&quot;) say the future economics aren&#039;t there for today&#039;s performance vehicles; I&#039;m not sure I buy that - in fact, I&#039;m pretty sure I don&#039;t - but let&#039;s say for argument&#039;s sake that I do.  Even if that is in fact the case, I think some of the 21st century&#039;s vast technological might should be directed toward fixing the future economics of high-performance motoring.  This is as opposed to the current development strategy, which seems to be almost entirely geared toward cowering before said economics instead.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as what is and isn&#8217;t a &#8220;real car&#8221;, that&#8217;s occasionally a tough judgment call.  It largely depends on what you&#8217;re trying to do with it, and how you feel about cars.  Mind you, I&#8217;m not saying that everyone should be a car nut.  If you (and I&#8217;m using the royal &#8220;you&#8221; here) are the sort of person who doesn&#8217;t <i>care</i> if your car is only barely adequate to the task at hand &#8211; if it&#8217;s genuinely the case that all you&#8217;re interested in is a rolling box that will get you from A to B in relative safety and in accordance with all applicable local, state, and federal ordinances &#8211; that&#8217;s great.  Get a Rio.  It&#8217;s all the car you&#8217;ll ever need.</p><p>What I resent, and what I see more and more of in the future, is the growing cultural expectation that that&#8217;s all we&#8217;re <i>all</i> interested in &#8211; or at least all we&#8217;re going to get, regardless of interest.  You (and now I am not using the royal &#8220;you&#8221;) say the future economics aren&#8217;t there for today&#8217;s performance vehicles; I&#8217;m not sure I buy that &#8211; in fact, I&#8217;m pretty sure I don&#8217;t &#8211; but let&#8217;s say for argument&#8217;s sake that I do.  Even if that is in fact the case, I think some of the 21st century&#8217;s vast technological might should be directed toward fixing the future economics of high-performance motoring.  This is as opposed to the current development strategy, which seems to be almost entirely geared toward cowering before said economics instead.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tom</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2008/05/23/technosophy-resistance-is-voltage-over-current/comment-page-1/#comment-24709</link> <dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 13:56:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gizmolovers.com/?p=2531#comment-24709</guid> <description>There are (or were) electric cars that weren&#039;t just motor scooters in disguise.  I suggest renting &quot;Who Killed the Electric Car&quot;.  Some of these cars were performance vehicles, too.  In a nut shell it&#039;s about how the oil companies and car companies had, in the recent past, tried to keep this technology from developing and getting to market.  And it&#039;s not one of those tin-foil-hat conspiracy films.Besides the politics of oil, we have increased demand from China and India, a weak dollar, and commodity speculation driving up the price, a very different situtaion than 20 or 30 years ago.  With a limited resource such as oil, can you imagine just the economic effects if the two most populous countries (more than 3 billion people?) want cars the way the US does?  The price of gas may slide back 50 cents by the end of summer, but the trend is clear for every incerasing prices.We have yet to decide what is &quot;adequate performance&quot; as a nation. I&#039;m not sure what all qualifies as a &quot;real car&quot; but get the feeling from reading above that anything that isn&#039;t a performance vehicle isn&#039;t a real car. (I&#039;m guessing Echos, Civics, Rios fall into this?) I know driving is so ingrained into the American psyche that it&#039;s almost considered a freedom akin to those in the Bill of Rights.  It is exhilarating driving a perfomance vehicle, but the future economics just isn&#039;t there. Most people will want an affordable way to get back and forth to work and the market and will sacrifice a &quot;rev or two&quot; for economy.  Or they will just do without.But I don&#039;t think anyone has to worry about losing cars that can give a rev or two.  I suspect even performance vehicles will always be available, but at a premium.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are (or were) electric cars that weren&#8217;t just motor scooters in disguise.  I suggest renting &#8220;Who Killed the Electric Car&#8221;.  Some of these cars were performance vehicles, too.  In a nut shell it&#8217;s about how the oil companies and car companies had, in the recent past, tried to keep this technology from developing and getting to market.  And it&#8217;s not one of those tin-foil-hat conspiracy films.</p><p>Besides the politics of oil, we have increased demand from China and India, a weak dollar, and commodity speculation driving up the price, a very different situtaion than 20 or 30 years ago.  With a limited resource such as oil, can you imagine just the economic effects if the two most populous countries (more than 3 billion people?) want cars the way the US does?  The price of gas may slide back 50 cents by the end of summer, but the trend is clear for every incerasing prices.</p><p>We have yet to decide what is &#8220;adequate performance&#8221; as a nation. I&#8217;m not sure what all qualifies as a &#8220;real car&#8221; but get the feeling from reading above that anything that isn&#8217;t a performance vehicle isn&#8217;t a real car. (I&#8217;m guessing Echos, Civics, Rios fall into this?) I know driving is so ingrained into the American psyche that it&#8217;s almost considered a freedom akin to those in the Bill of Rights.  It is exhilarating driving a perfomance vehicle, but the future economics just isn&#8217;t there. Most people will want an affordable way to get back and forth to work and the market and will sacrifice a &#8220;rev or two&#8221; for economy.  Or they will just do without.</p><p>But I don&#8217;t think anyone has to worry about losing cars that can give a rev or two.  I suspect even performance vehicles will always be available, but at a premium.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Gryphon</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2008/05/23/technosophy-resistance-is-voltage-over-current/comment-page-1/#comment-24700</link> <dc:creator>Gryphon</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 03:27:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gizmolovers.com/?p=2531#comment-24700</guid> <description>At this point, no, but what worries me is that it&#039;s coming.  Maybe not within the year, but I&#039;m concerned that the ongoing hardening of attitude I see toward motoring will reach a point where those of us who like a rev or two will simply be overrun within my lifetime.  The underlying reasons don&#039;t really concern me for these purposes.  I&#039;d much rather see some of that massive research effort going toward finding ways to keep real cars working, out from under the spectre of peak oil, rather than all of it being put into faffing around with electric and fuel cell vehicles that are &lt;i&gt;specifically designed&lt;/i&gt; to have performance that is barely adequate.  I don&#039;t &lt;i&gt;want&lt;/i&gt; barely adequate.  I don&#039;t think that&#039;s what The Future is supposed to be about.  I don&#039;t want to be the old codger explaining to the youngsters that there used to be these things called &quot;automobiles&quot;, and that unlike the fuel cell people transports of 2055, they were actually fun to drive.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At this point, no, but what worries me is that it&#8217;s coming.  Maybe not within the year, but I&#8217;m concerned that the ongoing hardening of attitude I see toward motoring will reach a point where those of us who like a rev or two will simply be overrun within my lifetime.  The underlying reasons don&#8217;t really concern me for these purposes.  I&#8217;d much rather see some of that massive research effort going toward finding ways to keep real cars working, out from under the spectre of peak oil, rather than all of it being put into faffing around with electric and fuel cell vehicles that are <i>specifically designed</i> to have performance that is barely adequate.  I don&#8217;t <i>want</i> barely adequate.  I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s what The Future is supposed to be about.  I don&#8217;t want to be the old codger explaining to the youngsters that there used to be these things called &#8220;automobiles&#8221;, and that unlike the fuel cell people transports of 2055, they were actually fun to drive.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ivan Y</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2008/05/23/technosophy-resistance-is-voltage-over-current/comment-page-1/#comment-24698</link> <dc:creator>Ivan Y</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 23:03:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gizmolovers.com/?p=2531#comment-24698</guid> <description>At this point, no one is really forcing anyone to switch to electric cars or hybrids. There are plenty of places in the world with a much more expensive gasoline (well, they&#039;d call it &quot;petrol&quot; or &quot;benzine&quot;) and they are still driving &quot;normal&quot; cars. Well, maybe on average the cars are smaller but it has more to do with stuff like parking and getting around small centuries-old streets.Anyhow, the situation is different now than in the times you described. As world&#039;s booming economies demand more oil, it&#039;s getting harder to find and extract especially now that countries are nationalizing their resources and squeezing out major corporations. So the push for alternative technologies isn&#039;t here just due to environmental concerns, but from a simple fact that we have to figure out ways to transition from oil eventually if we want to avoid major conflicts.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At this point, no one is really forcing anyone to switch to electric cars or hybrids. There are plenty of places in the world with a much more expensive gasoline (well, they&#8217;d call it &#8220;petrol&#8221; or &#8220;benzine&#8221;) and they are still driving &#8220;normal&#8221; cars. Well, maybe on average the cars are smaller but it has more to do with stuff like parking and getting around small centuries-old streets.</p><p>Anyhow, the situation is different now than in the times you described. As world&#8217;s booming economies demand more oil, it&#8217;s getting harder to find and extract especially now that countries are nationalizing their resources and squeezing out major corporations. So the push for alternative technologies isn&#8217;t here just due to environmental concerns, but from a simple fact that we have to figure out ways to transition from oil eventually if we want to avoid major conflicts.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: MegaZone</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2008/05/23/technosophy-resistance-is-voltage-over-current/comment-page-1/#comment-24682</link> <dc:creator>MegaZone</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 05:45:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gizmolovers.com/?p=2531#comment-24682</guid> <description>Yeah, you know what I drive, and it isn&#039;t exactly frugal - especially with my right foot.  But as far as I&#039;m concerned it is worth it, because I enjoy driving it.  I love the feeling, the noise, and the power.  I like having a car that responds when I put the pedal down, and hits a buck without any effort - if I don&#039;t watch it when passing someone.(For those who don&#039;t know, I drive a 2006 Dodge Charger R/T Daytona.)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, you know what I drive, and it isn&#8217;t exactly frugal &#8211; especially with my right foot.  But as far as I&#8217;m concerned it is worth it, because I enjoy driving it.  I love the feeling, the noise, and the power.  I like having a car that responds when I put the pedal down, and hits a buck without any effort &#8211; if I don&#8217;t watch it when passing someone.</p><p>(For those who don&#8217;t know, I drive a 2006 Dodge Charger R/T Daytona.)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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