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> <channel><title>Comments on: TiVo Releases TiVo Desktop 2.6, Enables Web Video Support</title> <atom:link href="http://www.gizmolovers.com/2008/03/18/tivo-releases-tivo-desktop-26-enables-web-video-support/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2008/03/18/tivo-releases-tivo-desktop-26-enables-web-video-support/</link> <description>TiVo, Slingbox, Android, Blu-ray Disc, and whatever other tech I feel like blogging about...</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2020 20:50:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4</generator> <item><title>By: MegaZone</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2008/03/18/tivo-releases-tivo-desktop-26-enables-web-video-support/comment-page-1/#comment-25012</link> <dc:creator>MegaZone</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:02:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2008/03/18/tivo-releases-tivo-desktop-26-enables-web-video-support/#comment-25012</guid> <description>The digital certificate in 2.5 expired and transfers no longer work.  You need 2.6.1 or better for it to work.  You should just upgrade - and you don&#039;t have to purchase TiVo Desktop Plus to install 2.6.1.There is also a certificate update available for the older desktops to get them working again, but it is easier to just install the current desktop.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The digital certificate in 2.5 expired and transfers no longer work.  You need 2.6.1 or better for it to work.  You should just upgrade &#8211; and you don&#8217;t have to purchase TiVo Desktop Plus to install 2.6.1.</p><p>There is also a certificate update available for the older desktops to get them working again, but it is easier to just install the current desktop.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kristi</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2008/03/18/tivo-releases-tivo-desktop-26-enables-web-video-support/comment-page-1/#comment-25011</link> <dc:creator>Kristi</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:16:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2008/03/18/tivo-releases-tivo-desktop-26-enables-web-video-support/#comment-25011</guid> <description>Ok, for one...I&#039;m not paying for tivo desktop...I&#039;m just not. I can watch vids from my comp with my hdmi cable, so that would be pointless. But heres my question; If I have an old version of Tivo Desktop, lets say 2.5, can I still transfer videos from my computer to my tivo or will this stop working? So far, I convert them, and it says there are no recordings. Thanks for any help anyone can provide.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, for one&#8230;I&#8217;m not paying for tivo desktop&#8230;I&#8217;m just not. I can watch vids from my comp with my hdmi cable, so that would be pointless. But heres my question; If I have an old version of Tivo Desktop, lets say 2.5, can I still transfer videos from my computer to my tivo or will this stop working? So far, I convert them, and it says there are no recordings. Thanks for any help anyone can provide.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: MegaZone</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2008/03/18/tivo-releases-tivo-desktop-26-enables-web-video-support/comment-page-1/#comment-23190</link> <dc:creator>MegaZone</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 04:45:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2008/03/18/tivo-releases-tivo-desktop-26-enables-web-video-support/#comment-23190</guid> <description>True, TiVo could let users use other codecs.  But I doubt most TiVo users are tech savvy enough to sort that out.  And TiVo is about making things simple.  The geeks most likely to use their own codecs are those most likely to use something like pyTiVo instead of TiVo Desktop.I know the codec refund was a rhetorical question, but I&#039;m sure they won&#039;t be.The auto-folder support is really simple - anyone capable of installing TiVo Desktop is capable of following the wizard to monitor a folder.  The hardest part would be knowing where the folders are for tools like iTunes.  Users who are so non-technical as to not be able to do it are probably not looking to watch podcasts, I&#039;d think.  I don&#039;t think my parents even know what podcasts are.TiVo is limited in what they can do with the current hardware, so they&#039;re doing what they can for the existing users.  There isn&#039;t really much more they can do as a DVR, there are only so many useful features.  Adding access to more content is a big deal for non-technical users too.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, TiVo could let users use other codecs.  But I doubt most TiVo users are tech savvy enough to sort that out.  And TiVo is about making things simple.  The geeks most likely to use their own codecs are those most likely to use something like pyTiVo instead of TiVo Desktop.</p><p>I know the codec refund was a rhetorical question, but I&#8217;m sure they won&#8217;t be.</p><p>The auto-folder support is really simple &#8211; anyone capable of installing TiVo Desktop is capable of following the wizard to monitor a folder.  The hardest part would be knowing where the folders are for tools like iTunes.  Users who are so non-technical as to not be able to do it are probably not looking to watch podcasts, I&#8217;d think.  I don&#8217;t think my parents even know what podcasts are.</p><p>TiVo is limited in what they can do with the current hardware, so they&#8217;re doing what they can for the existing users.  There isn&#8217;t really much more they can do as a DVR, there are only so many useful features.  Adding access to more content is a big deal for non-technical users too.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jay</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2008/03/18/tivo-releases-tivo-desktop-26-enables-web-video-support/comment-page-1/#comment-23179</link> <dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:50:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2008/03/18/tivo-releases-tivo-desktop-26-enables-web-video-support/#comment-23179</guid> <description>And btw, I find it ironic that the title for their press release is &quot;TiVo Gives Consumers an Easy Way to Download Internet Video Automatically to Their Television Sets&quot;.  Should have started with &quot;TiVo Charges Consumers for...&quot;  ;)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And btw, I find it ironic that the title for their press release is &#8220;TiVo Gives Consumers an Easy Way to Download Internet Video Automatically to Their Television Sets&#8221;.  Should have started with &#8220;TiVo Charges Consumers for&#8230;&#8221; <img
src="http://www.gizmolovers.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif?9d7bd4" alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jay</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2008/03/18/tivo-releases-tivo-desktop-26-enables-web-video-support/comment-page-1/#comment-23178</link> <dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:48:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2008/03/18/tivo-releases-tivo-desktop-26-enables-web-video-support/#comment-23178</guid> <description>Ok, good point on the questionable legality of the codecs.But what if I already have legitimate codecs on my system?  Unable to use them - gotta pay Tivo...But how about this - is Tivo going to refund my $25 once they enable h.264 in my TivoHD?  We all know it&#039;s coming - and the need for that codec support wouldn&#039;t be required for the majority of feeds at that time.I&#039;m aware of the auto folder support (forgot to mention that) - but this gets GREATLY away from the &quot;Tivo experience&quot;.  It&#039;s something that the rest of my family would NEVER be able to setup and use.With these types of features, they really are trying to compete with AppleTV (which admittedly isn&#039;t a perfect box either).  Unfortunately, even with the $25 fee, they still can&#039;t compare to the experience for podcasts or rentals.Don&#039;t get me wrong - I love my Tivos.  And I like my AppleTV.  But I&#039;m somewhat tired of the features being developed only for the technical minority, and charging for them at that.  Unless they really resume innovating in regards to mass-market features, I&#039;m concerned that they&#039;re never going to make the jump to profitability...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, good point on the questionable legality of the codecs.</p><p>But what if I already have legitimate codecs on my system?  Unable to use them &#8211; gotta pay Tivo&#8230;</p><p>But how about this &#8211; is Tivo going to refund my $25 once they enable h.264 in my TivoHD?  We all know it&#8217;s coming &#8211; and the need for that codec support wouldn&#8217;t be required for the majority of feeds at that time.</p><p>I&#8217;m aware of the auto folder support (forgot to mention that) &#8211; but this gets GREATLY away from the &#8220;Tivo experience&#8221;.  It&#8217;s something that the rest of my family would NEVER be able to setup and use.</p><p>With these types of features, they really are trying to compete with AppleTV (which admittedly isn&#8217;t a perfect box either).  Unfortunately, even with the $25 fee, they still can&#8217;t compare to the experience for podcasts or rentals.</p><p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong &#8211; I love my Tivos.  And I like my AppleTV.  But I&#8217;m somewhat tired of the features being developed only for the technical minority, and charging for them at that.  Unless they really resume innovating in regards to mass-market features, I&#8217;m concerned that they&#8217;re never going to make the jump to profitability&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: MegaZone</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2008/03/18/tivo-releases-tivo-desktop-26-enables-web-video-support/comment-page-1/#comment-23176</link> <dc:creator>MegaZone</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:04:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2008/03/18/tivo-releases-tivo-desktop-26-enables-web-video-support/#comment-23176</guid> <description>It is more complex than that.  And the fee *is* for the codecs.  For the Web Video transfers to work the TiVo Desktop must transcode from the web format, like H.264, for MPEG-2 for the TiVo.  And that requires the codec pack.  Without the codecs the web video function would be worthless.And it isn&#039;t saving anything on TiVo&#039;s bandwidth and storage bills - they don&#039;t host the existing TiVoCast videos either.  The partner sites host them, TiVo just includes them in the system.  But it requires the partner sites to specially encode their videos in MPEG-2 just for TiVo.  Imagine trying to get all webcasters to encode in MPEG-2 - not going to happen.And I don&#039;t know where you got the idea that you can only use the feeds they decide on, but that&#039;s wrong.  You can use the pre-selected feeds listed on the box, or you can point TD2.6 at any folder on your PC and it will automatically transcode and transfer any new videos that appear in those folders.  I already have mine grabbing podcasts I subscribe to in iTunes and transferring them to my TiVo - and they&#039;re not listed in TiVo&#039;s default lineup.And they can&#039;t use open source codecs - the open source codecs are, frankly, illegal.  The algorithms are patented - MPEG-2, MPEG-4/AVC, WMV/VC-1, etc, all have required licenses.  The open source implementations violate the patents on the algorithms involved.  The rights holders can&#039;t do too much about it with the OS movement, but they could sue TiVo if they used them.  Which is why you don&#039;t see the OS versions of the codecs being used in commercial products.Well, technically they could use the OS versions of the codecs - but they&#039;d still have to pay the license fees on the patents anyway, or get sued.Just because something has been implemented in OS doesn&#039;t mean it is actually legal to use.  It may be legal in some countries, where the technology isn&#039;t patented, and not in others, where it is.  Back in the day that&#039;s why OS SSL implementations were written outside the US.  The RSA algorithm, used in SSL, was patented in the US and usage required paying for a license.  But it wasn&#039;t protected in many other countries, so the community did their work there.  Individuals could download the code and use it in the US - but technically it wasn&#039;t legal to do so, and commercial products at the time charged for SSL support to cover the license.  (For example, at the time Apache did not include SSL because of this - but there were commercial variants, like RavenSSL, which you could buy which did.)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is more complex than that.  And the fee *is* for the codecs.  For the Web Video transfers to work the TiVo Desktop must transcode from the web format, like H.264, for MPEG-2 for the TiVo.  And that requires the codec pack.  Without the codecs the web video function would be worthless.</p><p>And it isn&#8217;t saving anything on TiVo&#8217;s bandwidth and storage bills &#8211; they don&#8217;t host the existing TiVoCast videos either.  The partner sites host them, TiVo just includes them in the system.  But it requires the partner sites to specially encode their videos in MPEG-2 just for TiVo.  Imagine trying to get all webcasters to encode in MPEG-2 &#8211; not going to happen.</p><p>And I don&#8217;t know where you got the idea that you can only use the feeds they decide on, but that&#8217;s wrong.  You can use the pre-selected feeds listed on the box, or you can point TD2.6 at any folder on your PC and it will automatically transcode and transfer any new videos that appear in those folders.  I already have mine grabbing podcasts I subscribe to in iTunes and transferring them to my TiVo &#8211; and they&#8217;re not listed in TiVo&#8217;s default lineup.</p><p>And they can&#8217;t use open source codecs &#8211; the open source codecs are, frankly, illegal.  The algorithms are patented &#8211; MPEG-2, MPEG-4/AVC, WMV/VC-1, etc, all have required licenses.  The open source implementations violate the patents on the algorithms involved.  The rights holders can&#8217;t do too much about it with the OS movement, but they could sue TiVo if they used them.  Which is why you don&#8217;t see the OS versions of the codecs being used in commercial products.</p><p>Well, technically they could use the OS versions of the codecs &#8211; but they&#8217;d still have to pay the license fees on the patents anyway, or get sued.</p><p>Just because something has been implemented in OS doesn&#8217;t mean it is actually legal to use.  It may be legal in some countries, where the technology isn&#8217;t patented, and not in others, where it is.  Back in the day that&#8217;s why OS SSL implementations were written outside the US.  The RSA algorithm, used in SSL, was patented in the US and usage required paying for a license.  But it wasn&#8217;t protected in many other countries, so the community did their work there.  Individuals could download the code and use it in the US &#8211; but technically it wasn&#8217;t legal to do so, and commercial products at the time charged for SSL support to cover the license.  (For example, at the time Apache did not include SSL because of this &#8211; but there were commercial variants, like RavenSSL, which you could buy which did.)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jay</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2008/03/18/tivo-releases-tivo-desktop-26-enables-web-video-support/comment-page-1/#comment-23173</link> <dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:31:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2008/03/18/tivo-releases-tivo-desktop-26-enables-web-video-support/#comment-23173</guid> <description>Ok, I just don&#039;t get it.  We are paying $25 in order to.....reduce their bandwidth and storage bills for Tivocast?  Yes, I understand that this allows MORE than what they have been Tivocasting, but their lack of content is their problem to fix, not ours to pay for.  Oh, and I still can only use the feeds that they decide on, even with my $25.Of course, they argue that the $25 goes to pay for the codecs.  Why the heck aren&#039;t they using open source projects for the transcoding instead?  It&#039;s not like they aren&#039;t using open source throughout the Tivo software itself....</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I just don&#8217;t get it.  We are paying $25 in order to&#8230;..reduce their bandwidth and storage bills for Tivocast?  Yes, I understand that this allows MORE than what they have been Tivocasting, but their lack of content is their problem to fix, not ours to pay for.  Oh, and I still can only use the feeds that they decide on, even with my $25.</p><p>Of course, they argue that the $25 goes to pay for the codecs.  Why the heck aren&#8217;t they using open source projects for the transcoding instead?  It&#8217;s not like they aren&#8217;t using open source throughout the Tivo software itself&#8230;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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