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> <channel><title>Comments on: TiVo Unveils New Series3 Video Recorder</title> <atom:link href="http://www.gizmolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/</link> <description>TiVo, Slingbox, Android, Blu-ray Disc, and whatever other tech I feel like blogging about...</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2020 20:50:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4</generator> <item><title>By: michaelts</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/comment-page-1/#comment-991</link> <dc:creator>michaelts</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 06:50:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/#comment-991</guid> <description>The OCAP concept has its pluses and minuses.  CableCARD V1 actually had bi-directional communication in the spec (but no multi-stream authentication/decryption) and that part of the protocol really hasn&#039;t changed.  It had built-in APIs for VOD, PPV and EPG, with some HTML server support.  Of course, since all of the latter stuff was rejected in favor of implementing something more extensive and general, bidirectional communication became moot for the initial version.The content providers and MSOs want to implement their own look-and-feel for VOD and PPV--this is independent of the built-in EPG UIs for &quot;resident applications&quot; like SARA, Passport and Moxi.  These menus are, in part, advertisement for the services and the presentation counts;  they certainly don&#039;t want to leave it up to the CE OEMs.  They also want to be able to offer other services through the boxes, which is something that they need OCAP to do.  If forcing CableCARD on the providers takes that capability away from them, it arguably constitutes restraint of trade.  Eventually all of their leased STBs will be CableCARD-based, by FCC regulations.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The OCAP concept has its pluses and minuses.  CableCARD V1 actually had bi-directional communication in the spec (but no multi-stream authentication/decryption) and that part of the protocol really hasn&#8217;t changed.  It had built-in APIs for VOD, PPV and EPG, with some HTML server support.  Of course, since all of the latter stuff was rejected in favor of implementing something more extensive and general, bidirectional communication became moot for the initial version.</p><p>The content providers and MSOs want to implement their own look-and-feel for VOD and PPV&#8211;this is independent of the built-in EPG UIs for &#8220;resident applications&#8221; like SARA, Passport and Moxi.  These menus are, in part, advertisement for the services and the presentation counts;  they certainly don&#8217;t want to leave it up to the CE OEMs.  They also want to be able to offer other services through the boxes, which is something that they need OCAP to do.  If forcing CableCARD on the providers takes that capability away from them, it arguably constitutes restraint of trade.  Eventually all of their leased STBs will be CableCARD-based, by FCC regulations.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: megazone</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/comment-page-1/#comment-990</link> <dc:creator>megazone</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:06:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/#comment-990</guid> <description>I asked and TiVo has no current plans for OCAP.  I also got it clarified - the current box will be unidirectional only, both single- and multi-stream.  Multi-stream is being split off from 2.0 since 2.0 is so delayed, and cable MSOs will be distributing M-Cards based on 1.0+Multi-Stream soon.  The Series3 will support 2.0 cards, but it may only support the 1.0 and M-Card functionality.One of the issues being argued is that OCAP requirement.  The cable companies want it, the CE vendors hate it.  That, and other disagreements, are holding up CC 2.0.  CE vendors really don&#039;t want OCAP, because they want to provide their own interfaces and functionality to access the features, not have every box have the same cable company interface.  CE vendors want a standardized way to access the functionality - standard APIs, data formats, etc, instead.  That would allow them to integrate the functionality into their product seamlessly instead of having to hand control over to a cable OCAP UI which will almost certainly be inferior, and definitely won&#039;t be integrated into the rest of the product experience.Personally I think OCAP is a really poor idea and standardized APIs and formats is superior.  Allow vendors to differentiate their products and provide different UIs while using the same data and accessing the same functionality.  Cable UIs have always been terrible.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I asked and TiVo has no current plans for OCAP.  I also got it clarified &#8211; the current box will be unidirectional only, both single- and multi-stream.  Multi-stream is being split off from 2.0 since 2.0 is so delayed, and cable MSOs will be distributing M-Cards based on 1.0+Multi-Stream soon.  The Series3 will support 2.0 cards, but it may only support the 1.0 and M-Card functionality.</p><p>One of the issues being argued is that OCAP requirement.  The cable companies want it, the CE vendors hate it.  That, and other disagreements, are holding up CC 2.0.  CE vendors really don&#8217;t want OCAP, because they want to provide their own interfaces and functionality to access the features, not have every box have the same cable company interface.  CE vendors want a standardized way to access the functionality &#8211; standard APIs, data formats, etc, instead.  That would allow them to integrate the functionality into their product seamlessly instead of having to hand control over to a cable OCAP UI which will almost certainly be inferior, and definitely won&#8217;t be integrated into the rest of the product experience.</p><p>Personally I think OCAP is a really poor idea and standardized APIs and formats is superior.  Allow vendors to differentiate their products and provide different UIs while using the same data and accessing the same functionality.  Cable UIs have always been terrible.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: michaelts</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/comment-page-1/#comment-989</link> <dc:creator>michaelts</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:46:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/#comment-989</guid> <description>They did say that it would support multi-stream CableCARD, so I&#039;m assuming that it would support the entire CableCARD 2.0 thing (&quot;OpenCable 2.0&quot;, to my thinking, since only part of it resides in the CableCARD).  M-CARDs provide for authentication/decryption services for multiple simultaneous service streams and upstream communication.  The other part is the OCAP engine running in the compliant STB or monitor.  OCAP, the Open Cable Application Platform, is a Java-based applications engine which will allow cable providers to download their own interactive interfaces and the graphics assets the require into the box, so that they can produce the same custom look-and-feel that they have in the menus that they implement in the leased cable STBs today.  They can create colorful multi-tiered VOD and PPV interfaces with inset video windows, etc, and well as apps like impulse subscribe-to-premium services and pay-your-bill with the cable box.  The possibilities are endless.I suppose that TiVo could launch without this support so long as they could be sure that they could implement support for it with a firmware push</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They did say that it would support multi-stream CableCARD, so I&#8217;m assuming that it would support the entire CableCARD 2.0 thing (&#8220;OpenCable 2.0&#8243;, to my thinking, since only part of it resides in the CableCARD).  M-CARDs provide for authentication/decryption services for multiple simultaneous service streams and upstream communication.  The other part is the OCAP engine running in the compliant STB or monitor.  OCAP, the Open Cable Application Platform, is a Java-based applications engine which will allow cable providers to download their own interactive interfaces and the graphics assets the require into the box, so that they can produce the same custom look-and-feel that they have in the menus that they implement in the leased cable STBs today.  They can create colorful multi-tiered VOD and PPV interfaces with inset video windows, etc, and well as apps like impulse subscribe-to-premium services and pay-your-bill with the cable box.  The possibilities are endless.</p><p>I suppose that TiVo could launch without this support so long as they could be sure that they could implement support for it with a firmware push</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: megazone</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/comment-page-1/#comment-988</link> <dc:creator>megazone</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:19:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/#comment-988</guid> <description>No word on anything like that.  And I don&#039;t think it will be likely for a while, since DVD can&#039;t handle HD content, or even SD digital cable content since it isn&#039;t DVD compliant.  We may see something with Blu-ray or the like down the road.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No word on anything like that.  And I don&#8217;t think it will be likely for a while, since DVD can&#8217;t handle HD content, or even SD digital cable content since it isn&#8217;t DVD compliant.  We may see something with Blu-ray or the like down the road.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: anonymous</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/comment-page-1/#comment-987</link> <dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2006 16:40:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/#comment-987</guid> <description>Oddly enough, when I talked to Pony at the CES, he said it would support both multistream and multidirectional (once available). The only thing he stopped me in my tracks on was talking about MRV with HD content.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oddly enough, when I talked to Pony at the CES, he said it would support both multistream and multidirectional (once available). The only thing he stopped me in my tracks on was talking about MRV with HD content.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: anonymous</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/comment-page-1/#comment-986</link> <dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2006 12:05:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/#comment-986</guid> <description>Any word regarding Humax or other 3rd party vendors having TiVo Series 3 DVD burner units in the works?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any word regarding Humax or other 3rd party vendors having TiVo Series 3 DVD burner units in the works?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: megazone</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/comment-page-1/#comment-985</link> <dc:creator>megazone</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2006 05:36:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/#comment-985</guid> <description>There are no A/V *input* jacks on the unit.  The only two inputs are coax antenna and coax cable.  All the other A/V jacks are output.  It also lacks IR or serial jacks to control any external source.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are no A/V *input* jacks on the unit.  The only two inputs are coax antenna and coax cable.  All the other A/V jacks are output.  It also lacks IR or serial jacks to control any external source.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: titanic</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/comment-page-1/#comment-984</link> <dc:creator>titanic</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:16:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/#comment-984</guid> <description>It says it does have dual tuner support - so it hs multiple recording sources possible at the same time.  Is it possible that the AV input jacks might be usable without having to go to the crap of calling them a satellite input?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It says it does have dual tuner support &#8211; so it hs multiple recording sources possible at the same time.  Is it possible that the AV input jacks might be usable without having to go to the crap of calling them a satellite input?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: weaktwos</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/comment-page-1/#comment-983</link> <dc:creator>weaktwos</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:32:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/#comment-983</guid> <description>Oh yes! Phew! I must have glazed over at the TTG part.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes! Phew! I must have glazed over at the TTG part.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: megazone</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/comment-page-1/#comment-982</link> <dc:creator>megazone</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:27:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/#comment-982</guid> <description>The article did say that - and note I said the article is wrong.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article did say that &#8211; and note I said the article is wrong.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: weaktwos</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/comment-page-1/#comment-981</link> <dc:creator>weaktwos</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2006 16:37:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/#comment-981</guid> <description>Is this article is saying that we won&#039;t be able to network our Tivo&#039;s such that we can record shows on one and view them on another Tivo?  That sucks.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this article is saying that we won&#8217;t be able to network our Tivo&#8217;s such that we can record shows on one and view them on another Tivo?  That sucks.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: megazone</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/comment-page-1/#comment-980</link> <dc:creator>megazone</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2006 08:14:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/#comment-980</guid> <description>To start the unit will be unidirectional only.  Since the bidirectional spec is still the subject of violent debate, TiVo can&#039;t say if the unit will be able to support it - what will be required is unknown at this time.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To start the unit will be unidirectional only.  Since the bidirectional spec is still the subject of violent debate, TiVo can&#8217;t say if the unit will be able to support it &#8211; what will be required is unknown at this time.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: anonymous</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/comment-page-1/#comment-979</link> <dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2006 03:25:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/#comment-979</guid> <description>Did you hear if they expect to be able to support two way cc at some point (for vod, ppv)?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you hear if they expect to be able to support two way cc at some point (for vod, ppv)?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: megazone</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/comment-page-1/#comment-978</link> <dc:creator>megazone</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2006 01:28:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/#comment-978</guid> <description>Yeah, I saw the same CNet article.  That doesn&#039;t jive *at all* with anything I&#039;ve heard from the TiVo folks.  The unit is not *final* yet - the hard drive may change, etc.  But what is on display at the show is almost certainly what will be on shelves later this year.  It is in early testing now, which could result in changes, but by this point the hardware design is fairly well nailed down.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I saw the same CNet article.  That doesn&#8217;t jive *at all* with anything I&#8217;ve heard from the TiVo folks.  The unit is not *final* yet &#8211; the hard drive may change, etc.  But what is on display at the show is almost certainly what will be on shelves later this year.  It is in early testing now, which could result in changes, but by this point the hardware design is fairly well nailed down.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: anonymous</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/comment-page-1/#comment-977</link> <dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2006 22:43:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2006/01/07/tivo-unveils-new-series3-video-recorder/#comment-977</guid> <description>The latest rumor (stemming from a cnet article) is that this really is just a prototype, and not a sure thing...so this may not come to pass.  Did you get that impression at all from anybody at the booth?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The latest rumor (stemming from a cnet article) is that this really is just a prototype, and not a sure thing&#8230;so this may not come to pass.  Did you get that impression at all from anybody at the booth?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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