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> <channel><title>Comments on: My take on the TiVo &#8216;death watch&#8217; crap</title> <atom:link href="http://www.gizmolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/</link> <description>TiVo, Slingbox, Android, Blu-ray Disc, and whatever other tech I feel like blogging about...</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2020 20:50:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4</generator> <item><title>By: megazone</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/comment-page-1/#comment-615</link> <dc:creator>megazone</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2005 03:01:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/#comment-615</guid> <description>What I&#039;ve heard in regards to Canada is that the regulatory environment there is unfriendly to companies like TiVo when it comes to getting the guide data.  It kept both TiVo and ReplayTV from trying the market.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;ve heard in regards to Canada is that the regulatory environment there is unfriendly to companies like TiVo when it comes to getting the guide data.  It kept both TiVo and ReplayTV from trying the market.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: anonymous</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/comment-page-1/#comment-614</link> <dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2005 01:40:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/#comment-614</guid> <description>If TIVO wants to stay alive, they have to keep moving, they can&#039;t stand still. Other products are moving in, they have to &quot;cut them off at the pass&quot;. Maybe, as some argue - they aren&#039;t big enough to compete... But they still can&#039;t just rest on their laurels.Look how many options there are to consider -  HDTV, Satellite, DVD+-R, PC interface, and VCD burning... dumb PVR recording... Pick the best options and run with them, and don&#039;t try to pull an &quot;Apple&quot; on your hacker community.I have a beef- where&#039;s the Canadian service? They&#039;ve got a prime market of 30 million people (10% of the N. American English-speaking market...), NTSC, same channels in many cases. I don&#039;t understand why this market is ignored - especially when they were in the UK market. I&#039;m tired of the stock answer &quot;We are considering it...&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If TIVO wants to stay alive, they have to keep moving, they can&#8217;t stand still. Other products are moving in, they have to &#8220;cut them off at the pass&#8221;. Maybe, as some argue &#8211; they aren&#8217;t big enough to compete&#8230; But they still can&#8217;t just rest on their laurels.</p><p>Look how many options there are to consider &#8211;  HDTV, Satellite, DVD+-R, PC interface, and VCD burning&#8230; dumb PVR recording&#8230; Pick the best options and run with them, and don&#8217;t try to pull an &#8220;Apple&#8221; on your hacker community.</p><p>I have a beef- where&#8217;s the Canadian service? They&#8217;ve got a prime market of 30 million people (10% of the N. American English-speaking market&#8230;), NTSC, same channels in many cases. I don&#8217;t understand why this market is ignored &#8211; especially when they were in the UK market. I&#8217;m tired of the stock answer &#8220;We are considering it&#8230;&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: erinin3d</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/comment-page-1/#comment-613</link> <dc:creator>erinin3d</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:53:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/#comment-613</guid> <description>I hope you&#039;re right!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you&#8217;re right!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: anonymous</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/comment-page-1/#comment-612</link> <dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:14:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/#comment-612</guid> <description>Strong comment about how the DTV channel only accounts for 10% of revenue.HDTV is still in early adoption, but a lot of the TIVO owners I know are also early adopters, and the inability to have a solution will hurt.Bigger problem is lack of dual tuners.  Goes back to the  cost of the hardware.    TIVO hardware is much cheaper than equivalent Media Center PC.  How cheap can you make the dual-tuner models?  $99 is an excellent price point, but will be hard to maintain with higher specs to handle HDTV / dual-tuners / cablecard.Also, TIVO needs to develop a better hardware upgrade path.  Both financial (turn in your old boxes for a rebate, thus preventing a glut of older models) but also though transferring your ratings and seasons passes to new boxes.  You could easily turn this into a new revenue stream.  With 3 millions users, some of them are going to want new boxes at some point.HME is nice, and does outsource some development costs, but the company has shown a real inability to develop other revenue streams outside monthly fee.  Downloading movies will not be a market for the next five years.  Need to tie HME into the TV more (buy the items featured on this cooking show.  Buy the book mentioned on this show.  Buy the music on SNL).  Also tie into IMDB and other information, but in the main TV screen, rather than in separate HME apps.  Little evidence company can pull this off.  They focus too much on the monthly fee and defending that fee.Also need to push the limits on suggestions and other data mining opportunities.  Quantify that info and post it daily (what is the most Tivoed moment of the day?  of the week?  Enormous PR from this.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strong comment about how the DTV channel only accounts for 10% of revenue.</p><p>HDTV is still in early adoption, but a lot of the TIVO owners I know are also early adopters, and the inability to have a solution will hurt.</p><p>Bigger problem is lack of dual tuners.  Goes back to the  cost of the hardware.    TIVO hardware is much cheaper than equivalent Media Center PC.  How cheap can you make the dual-tuner models?  $99 is an excellent price point, but will be hard to maintain with higher specs to handle HDTV / dual-tuners / cablecard.</p><p>Also, TIVO needs to develop a better hardware upgrade path.  Both financial (turn in your old boxes for a rebate, thus preventing a glut of older models) but also though transferring your ratings and seasons passes to new boxes.  You could easily turn this into a new revenue stream.  With 3 millions users, some of them are going to want new boxes at some point.</p><p>HME is nice, and does outsource some development costs, but the company has shown a real inability to develop other revenue streams outside monthly fee.  Downloading movies will not be a market for the next five years.  Need to tie HME into the TV more (buy the items featured on this cooking show.  Buy the book mentioned on this show.  Buy the music on SNL).  Also tie into IMDB and other information, but in the main TV screen, rather than in separate HME apps.  Little evidence company can pull this off.  They focus too much on the monthly fee and defending that fee.</p><p>Also need to push the limits on suggestions and other data mining opportunities.  Quantify that info and post it daily (what is the most Tivoed moment of the day?  of the week?  Enormous PR from this.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: weaktwos</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/comment-page-1/#comment-611</link> <dc:creator>weaktwos</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:18:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/#comment-611</guid> <description>Well said.  The product is sound, and I think the faithful will convert.  People have their cheap cable dvrs, but I can happily schedule my recordings away from home, as well as stream music.  Hah!I eagerly await the HD cabable cable card machines, though.   Maybe then I&#039;ll get into HD cable.  &#039;Til then, I am not bothering.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said.  The product is sound, and I think the faithful will convert.  People have their cheap cable dvrs, but I can happily schedule my recordings away from home, as well as stream music.  Hah!</p><p>I eagerly await the HD cabable cable card machines, though.   Maybe then I&#8217;ll get into HD cable.  &#8216;Til then, I am not bothering.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: anonymous</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/comment-page-1/#comment-610</link> <dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:46:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/#comment-610</guid> <description>The release of the development kit for the Tivo means that there will be quite a few new &quot;features&quot; developed for Tivo at no cost to the company, whatsoever. They already have the &quot;user community&quot; vibe, too which is probably &quot;priceless&quot;.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The release of the development kit for the Tivo means that there will be quite a few new &#8220;features&#8221; developed for Tivo at no cost to the company, whatsoever. They already have the &#8220;user community&#8221; vibe, too which is probably &#8220;priceless&#8221;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: stile99</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/comment-page-1/#comment-609</link> <dc:creator>stile99</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2005 03:03:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/#comment-609</guid> <description>If you don&#039;t mind factory recons you can save.http://www.tivo.com/2.0.1.asp</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#8217;t mind factory recons you can save.</p><p><a
href="http://www.tivo.com/2.0.1.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.tivo.com/2.0.1.asp</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: starbucking</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/comment-page-1/#comment-608</link> <dc:creator>starbucking</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2005 03:01:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/#comment-608</guid> <description>Nice post, Megazone.  I&#039;m a new Tivo lover and already have two, and almost never use my (gasp!) 8 VCRs.  Can&#039;t wait until Tivo-to-go get&#039;s the Mac OSX treatment.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post, Megazone.  I&#8217;m a new Tivo lover and already have two, and almost never use my (gasp!) 8 VCRs.  Can&#8217;t wait until Tivo-to-go get&#8217;s the Mac OSX treatment.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: gonna_shinee</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/comment-page-1/#comment-607</link> <dc:creator>gonna_shinee</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:45:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/#comment-607</guid> <description>ok thanks!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok thanks!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: megazone</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/comment-page-1/#comment-606</link> <dc:creator>megazone</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:14:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/#comment-606</guid> <description>For standalone TiVo&#039;s the 40 hour units tend to be the same price everywhere - $199 with a $100 rebate currently, so it comes to $99.  Sometimes they get cheaper if a store runs a sale, etc.DirecTiVo units start at $99 MSRP, but are often less with promotions.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For standalone TiVo&#8217;s the 40 hour units tend to be the same price everywhere &#8211; $199 with a $100 rebate currently, so it comes to $99.  Sometimes they get cheaper if a store runs a sale, etc.</p><p>DirecTiVo units start at $99 MSRP, but are often less with promotions.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: gonna_shinee</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/comment-page-1/#comment-605</link> <dc:creator>gonna_shinee</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2005 21:48:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/#comment-605</guid> <description>where&#039;s the cheapest place to get it?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>where&#8217;s the cheapest place to get it?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: megazone</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/comment-page-1/#comment-604</link> <dc:creator>megazone</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2005 21:06:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/#comment-604</guid> <description>Thanks.  It is been stewing in my brain for a while as I bounce around the various TiVo groups and blogs, and it finally boiled over. ;-)  I&#039;ve worked for startups - hell, I *work* for a startup - and I&#039;ve seen them succeed and fail.  The conclusions I&#039;ve seen people drawing are irrational.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.  It is been stewing in my brain for a while as I bounce around the various TiVo groups and blogs, and it finally boiled over. <img
src="http://www.gizmolovers.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif?9d7bd4" alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> I&#8217;ve worked for startups &#8211; hell, I *work* for a startup &#8211; and I&#8217;ve seen them succeed and fail.  The conclusions I&#8217;ve seen people drawing are irrational.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: scarymike</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/comment-page-1/#comment-603</link> <dc:creator>scarymike</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2005 21:04:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/#comment-603</guid> <description>Agreed. Great post.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. Great post.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: megazone</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/comment-page-1/#comment-602</link> <dc:creator>megazone</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:39:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/#comment-602</guid> <description>Yeah, very much so.  I think the rumors of Apply *buying* TiVo are far-fetched.  A few years ago Apple was buying Palm, according to the rumor mill.  But there just seem to be people who like to predict the worst for any popular company - and TiVo and Apple have a lot in common with respect to the loyalty and fervor of their userbase.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, very much so.  I think the rumors of Apply *buying* TiVo are far-fetched.  A few years ago Apple was buying Palm, according to the rumor mill.  But there just seem to be people who like to predict the worst for any popular company &#8211; and TiVo and Apple have a lot in common with respect to the loyalty and fervor of their userbase.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: megazone</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/comment-page-1/#comment-601</link> <dc:creator>megazone</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:38:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/#comment-601</guid> <description>Well, they&#039;re not that expensive now. :-)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, they&#8217;re not that expensive now. <img
src="http://www.gizmolovers.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif?9d7bd4" alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: banzai</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/comment-page-1/#comment-600</link> <dc:creator>banzai</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:35:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/#comment-600</guid> <description>Not to be overly simplistic, but the whole deal smacks of the &quot;Apple Death Watch&quot; days of yore. I agreeâ€”it&#039;s hooey.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to be overly simplistic, but the whole deal smacks of the &#8220;Apple Death Watch&#8221; days of yore. I agreeâ€”it&#8217;s hooey.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: megazone</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/comment-page-1/#comment-599</link> <dc:creator>megazone</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:34:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/#comment-599</guid> <description>Yeah, I didn&#039;t even get into the IP issues.  I&#039;ve seen people whinging that if TiVo really had IP they&#039;d be suing everyone.Which is sheer ignorance.  They have a test case in progress against Echostar, and it seems like a strong case.  There is absolutely no point in wasting money on lawyers trying to sue other parties at this time.  It is better to go through the test case.  If TiVo wins then many other companies will probably license their patents without a fight simply to avoid the trouble and cost of being sued.  And those who don&#039;t will have a tougher time fighting TiVo in court with the patents already having been upheld.They have over 70 patents already, and more to come.  Patents are useful things.  In addition to pursuing licensing revenue, they can also be used defensively.  Others also have patents, and if one of them came after TiVo they may be able to settle it with a patent swap instead of paying out.  Which is what TiVo did with ReplayTV.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I didn&#8217;t even get into the IP issues.  I&#8217;ve seen people whinging that if TiVo really had IP they&#8217;d be suing everyone.</p><p>Which is sheer ignorance.  They have a test case in progress against Echostar, and it seems like a strong case.  There is absolutely no point in wasting money on lawyers trying to sue other parties at this time.  It is better to go through the test case.  If TiVo wins then many other companies will probably license their patents without a fight simply to avoid the trouble and cost of being sued.  And those who don&#8217;t will have a tougher time fighting TiVo in court with the patents already having been upheld.</p><p>They have over 70 patents already, and more to come.  Patents are useful things.  In addition to pursuing licensing revenue, they can also be used defensively.  Others also have patents, and if one of them came after TiVo they may be able to settle it with a patent swap instead of paying out.  Which is what TiVo did with ReplayTV.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: gonna_shinee</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/comment-page-1/#comment-598</link> <dc:creator>gonna_shinee</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:32:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/#comment-598</guid> <description>i want tivO</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i want tivO</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: axey</title><link>http://www.gizmolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/comment-page-1/#comment-597</link> <dc:creator>axey</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:24:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.tivolovers.com/2005/03/11/my-take-on-the-tivo-death-watch-crap/#comment-597</guid> <description>If there&#039;s a good thing coming out of this it&#039;s that TiVo shares are on sale. A few more tech breakthroughs and a successfull judgement against Echostar and they have a good chance of coming back up.But I agree, the doom and gloom stuff is getting really stale.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there&#8217;s a good thing coming out of this it&#8217;s that TiVo shares are on sale. A few more tech breakthroughs and a successfull judgement against Echostar and they have a good chance of coming back up.</p><p>But I agree, the doom and gloom stuff is getting really stale.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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